Good Luck Both Teams

So what?

So what?

Would you stop spamming in here? If you wanna discuss private message me on irc or on forums instead of posting here.

We challenged DnA two months ago and have already discussed everything except the date that Krystiano intended to post.
My first message about clarifying this situation had been ignored and then I posted it second time.
Is it too hard to post a date?

We challenged DnA two months ago and have already discussed everything except the date that Krystiano intended to post.
My first message about clarifying this situation had been ignored and then I posted it second time.
Is it too hard to post a date?

If you want to force us then good luck having clan war with someone else, we are having some troubles with our clan mates. I will let you know if we are able to play in this month also krystinaoo is not our clan leader so you cant expect anything from him. Please stop asking about dates/our discussions here. As I told you before, I will let you know once we have a clear date.

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[16:47:52] <[TDH]Tom> Hi Bryce
[16:47:58] <[TDH]Tom> What do you want to discuss?
[18:05:11] <Bryce> hi
[18:09:05] <Bryce> go check ctf forum post
[18:25:38] <[TDH]Tom> Ok, I have a few questions
[18:25:51] <[TDH]Tom> Are you in charge to represent DnA in our discussion?
[18:37:07] <[TDH]Tom> I've had a connection abort, once again:
[18:37:09] <[TDH]Tom> [18:25:38] <[TDH]Tom> Ok, I have a few questions
[18:37:09] <[TDH]Tom> [18:25:51] <[TDH]Tom> Are you in charge to represent DnA in our discussion?
[19:09:08] * [TDH]Tom slaps Bryce around a bit with a large trout
[19:36:34] <Bryce> what
[19:36:54] <[TDH]Tom> [18:25:38] <[TDH]Tom> Ok, I have a few questions
[19:36:54] <[TDH]Tom> [18:25:51] <[TDH]Tom> Are you in charge to represent DnA in our discussion?
[19:37:27] <Bryce> 1<Bryce> thats DnA's discussion
[19:37:27] <Bryce> 01<Bryce> not yours, you made yours
[19:37:27] <Bryce> 01<Bryce> we are unable to get our members due to their inactivity
[19:37:27] <Bryce> 01<Bryce> also dont depend on krystinaoo
[19:37:27] <Bryce> 01<Bryce> hes not going to play clan war
[19:37:43] <Bryce> you seem kinda stressed, I sent you these messages for like 70 mins ago
[19:37:53] <[TDH]Tom> I didn't get them
[19:38:00] <[TDH]Tom> I've had connection abort
[19:38:07] <Bryce> not my fault
[19:38:12] <[TDH]Tom> Ok
[19:38:41] <[TDH]Tom> I don't get your answer about your position during this discussion
[19:38:55] <[TDH]Tom> Do you represent DnA here OFFICALLY?
[19:39:02] <Bryce> yes
[19:39:10] <[TDH]Tom> Ok next question
[19:39:18] <[TDH]Tom> Why clan war hasn't been played during last two months?
[19:39:44] <Bryce> stop acting like kids, we wanted to have clan wars with other clans first
[19:39:50] <Bryce> as we dont really care about WK that much
[19:39:58] <Bryce> now our squad is broken and it's not that hard to understand
[19:40:09] <Bryce> you aren't a clan, you are just a group of a few guys
[19:40:16] <Bryce> we did challenged official vcmp clans
[19:40:20] <[TDH]Tom> You squad wasn't broken 2 months ago
[19:40:29] <[TDH]Tom> We challenged you first
[19:40:54] <Bryce> you challenged almost every clan in vcmp and none of them played with you yet
[19:41:02] <[TDH]Tom> Everyone is scared
[19:41:03] <Bryce> except SS
[19:41:14] <[TDH]Tom> And avoiding to play with top of VCLMP
[19:41:27] <Bryce> you aren't even a clan
[19:41:31] <Bryce> good luck with your thinking
[19:41:51] <Bryce> #1 has been DnA always
[19:41:58] <[TDH]Tom> Will DnA avoid this match?
[19:42:10] <Bryce> thisn't called avoiding, we are short on members
[19:42:28] <Bryce> we will have match as soon as our squad is ready
[19:42:54] <[TDH]Tom> Quite interesting situation
[19:43:15] <Bryce> did you ask VUs whey they aren't playing with you?
[19:43:27] <Bryce> they have a bunch of members to pass your time
[19:43:37] <[TDH]Tom> We've lsot interest to play with such noobs
[19:43:46] <[TDH]Tom> IKf we'll do it, we'll do it for fun
[19:43:49] <Bryce> and dont tell me you are pro than us
[19:43:57] <[TDH]Tom> WK will rape DnA
[19:44:05] <[TDH]Tom> You know it
[19:44:11] <Bryce> well I usually rape you in-game
[19:44:14] <Bryce> you deny that?
[19:44:17] <[TDH]Tom> Everybody from your pseudo-clan know it
[19:44:29] <[TDH]Tom> Anyway, back to the deal
[19:44:35] <Bryce> <Bryce> well I usually rape you in-game
[19:44:35] <Bryce> <Bryce> you deny that?
[19:44:38] <Bryce> this is the deal
[19:44:40] <[TDH]Tom> What is the deadline of the match, after which there will be DnA's technical defeat 8-0?
[19:47:51] <[TDH]Tom> ...
[19:59:51] <Bryce> stop being kiddish
[20:00:52] <[TDH]Tom> Will you name deatline?
Since you don't want to have a substantive private conversation I'm forced to post everything here.
You ignored my last question, so I'm repeating it here:
What is the deadline of the match, after which there will be DnA's technical defeat 8-0?

I don't believe in your tales about "our squad is broken". It's been two months since we challenged you second time. You've had enough time to have a match and now you suddenly have "broken squad".
Quite an interesting situation especially in the light of this:

[09:11:17] -> Admin Bryce: DnAs are better than WK

[09:01:17] [SS]Nilz: bryce
[09:01:22] [SS]Nilz: will you fight against wk
[09:01:23] [SS]Nilz: in cw?
[09:01:29] -> Admin Bryce: sure lol
[09:01:33] -> Admin Bryce: whats big deal

The original date we intended was between 5th and 15th of October BUT due to some issues [...] we are unable to play at the moment.
As much as we all want to play that clan war, without a proper squad and training we will not play.
It is pretty obvious & undeniable that WK are the top ones in VCMP as of now and we do NOT want to come unprepared and lose hard.

Once again: we WILL inform you when we agree upon a date, please do note however that we are not the most active clan in VCMP and a lot of our members are just busy with work, life or are not in shape to play. We want to clear these issues up and then we WILL contact you for the date.

Saying 'hehe you'll lose 8-0 nabs' won't accelarate the process in which the clan war is played. Be patient. We're trying to make this happen.

What if DnA will never be ready?

It's been 8 days, do you have any news?

I think they don't have answers for our questions, Morphine.
Situation around this match gives enough food for thoughts, so I'd like to share mine.

I really hope that the situation with their squad isn't a political move in order to avoid this match and save DnA's image. But looks like it is. Even if they didn't intend so.
DnA has already gotten it's portion of disgrace so I'm not going to put them deeper in shame (although I have enough ways (most of them are provided by one of it's member's loundmouth) to do it) or reproach them. I'll simply share my vision of this situatuion based on the fact that DnAs are really have problems with an activity of their's members that can be considered as unfortunate set of circumstances that disables DnA from playing with us and puts them out of competitiveness. I'm not going to troll them, but I'm sure that some parts of my post may pique DnA members.
At 21th august I said to 210W: "They will fight with us only if they are confident in their's power and ability to defeat us. They won't play without it". Time has shown that these words were predictive. By saying "we will fight when our squad is ready" you put this match in a situation of uncertainty (which is probably perpetual). Why is it so? I'll explain.
The necessary condition of this match's happening is DnA's squad being ready. Readiness of it is decided by DnA. So situation around this match happening fully depends on DnA's decision. A decision that, in my opinion, according to specified condition will never be made. And there are some objective reasons of it.
1. DnA will never be ready. There are also some objective reasons of it, but I won't elaborate them all because it requires deep analysis of DnA's and community's essence and understanding the roots of WK's dominance, so it will take too much time. So I'll simply bring it into one conclusion: DnA hasn't enough potential and perspective to achieve WK's level. Not only because it's internal characters but also due to current VC:MP conjuncture. Krystiano, being a smart member and the person who knows WK better than anyone in this community, probably understands what I'm trying to say.
2. It's a risk for DnA. Imagine situation when DnA decided to play and lost 8-0. We cannot exclude such an option. Months of training and preparation, all the drama around this match and it's delayings and... still 8-0. That will be diseaster for DnA. Taking into account first point and this, I can say that specified decision that DnA has to make will be very hard and responsible. Thus it's easier to keep this situation in uncertanity and maintain current status-quo than play a hard (morally also) match.

In the beginning of my post I said that current circumstances is a political move even if DnA didn't intend so. I'll elaborate. They're winning the time by delayings. Who knows when DnA will be ready (will they?)? What if they will be ready when CTF gamemode will become outdated or will change significantly? What if DnA will be ready when WK become inactive or even loose interest towards this game? You never know what will happen in future. You can only guess. What will be VC:MP after half a year or even more? Could you predict all this situation about CTF and clan matches 6 months earlier? No. Nobody knows what will happen.
In a process of time many people will probably forget about WK vs DnA. DnA will stay de-facto unbeaten. Maybe someday you'll be ready. Maybe you'll create some sutatble for DnA (i.e. for Krystiano who is the basement of all DnA's victories) maps.
In short words: life is a motion. And motion exists in time. And DnA has gained the time.

What I've written above (briefly) was behind my question "What if DnA will never be ready"? But looks like nobody from DnA don't know the answer and, I'm afraid, this match will never happen only due to DnA's fear of defeat.
But it doesn't matter that we're withdrawing our challenge.

[OFF]Tom,

First off I will start by apologizing for not keeping you properly posted about the progress of arranging our clan match. That was no doubt a mistake from our end and I don't blame you for being curious about the date, especially when taking into account that it's been more than two months since you originally proposed a match on our clan forum.

Before the clan match against MK on 30th of August we hadn't had any clan activity in any form since 2012 and many new faces were introduced into the clan between then and now. Like mentioned by krystianoo on his post above, you guys are undeniably in the top of VC:MP at this moment and we simply wanted to see if we can pull the first match off as a clan before even thinking of accepting your proposal. This is the reason we did not play you earlier - or even suggest an approximate date. We had mutually agreed to save you for the last. Considering your reputation, kind of like an ultimate boss. After our match against VU, two of our active members informed they will not be giving VC:MP their full focus because of on-going studies and that we should not expect them to participate in future clan activities. The fact that we actually managed to come up with a suitable date to play against SS was more or less because of fluke.

I do - unfortunately - have to agree that all this has brought a black cloud of disgrace upon on our clan, which I never wanted to happen. I'm a bit of a perfectionist myself and I've always intended on keeping our clan stainless the best I can but sadly not everything is under my control even if I wanted so. Regarding this I would like to state that personal opinions given out by our individual members are theirs, and theirs only. They are not supported by our clan as a whole unless stated otherwise, hence should they not be allowed to mistakenly reflect on this matter in any way.

Now to the actual matter at hand.

Despite the fact that we have failed to come up with a date so far, we do intend to play you. We have all along, like I mentioned earlier in this post. We are not postponing this match on purpose, waiting for the tides to turn somehow to gain even the slightest advantage.

Let me clarify something. The reason we are having hard time to agree on a date is very, very simple; We currently have 25 members, out of which only 2-4 can be considered active. This should not come as a surprise to anyone. Right now we're nowhere near to an active clan, a clan capable enough to arrange any kind of sessions in order to train. We're more like a retirement home. To tell you the truth, I've acknowledged the fact that by playing you it's likely that we'll be marching to a certain defeat. Despite that, I'm not satisfied with the idea of playing you 3v5 or so, and I have a feeling you wouldn't either. I don't think it would serve either party in terms of competitive playing.

As an only 'active' administrator of DnA I am ultimately in charge of everything that happens inside of the clan. At this very moment, I cannot give my full commitment to VC:MP because I am way too busy dealing with responsibilities and tasks of my own in real life which have got my absolute attention. I am inactive and it's partially the reason we've been getting nowhere with this match.

we're withdrawing our challenge.

Just to confirm this, are you officially withdrawing your challenge? If so, I must say it's a relief in a way because I honestly couldn't have told you we'll be playing soon, while actually having no certainty about the future events. Either way, I must admit that you've already won this one 8-0, morally at least.

Finally I want to say that even though I am inactive, I do view IRC and our clan forum for messages daily and I request you to directly contact me in the future.

- Darfy


Now generally for everyone;
I cannot put words on anyone's mouth but I will apologize on behalf of DnA for any offensive toned comments which may have originated as a result of this little dilemma on either here on the forums or in IRC.

I had no idea people were seriously looking forward to see DnA versus WK so badly. To those whose time we've wasted, I send my apologies.

On a bit darker note; it's unfortunate this turned out as such a fuzz, which I never imagined it would. I urge you all to remember that in the end of the day we're dealing with a video-game and it's little community. If for some they actually hold higher priority than real life matters, I consider that highly alarming.

As I said before, we accept the fact that DnA has problems with activity of it's members as a reality.

Just to confirm this, are you officially withdrawing your challenge?

It was mistake from my side to use word "matter". I wanted to say "But it doesn't mean that we're withdrawing our challenge".
Despite this we (or at least I) won't push DnA about the date due to reasons that were stated above.

dnA is closed..Now no war can happen,it will only be possible if DnA reopens,but it won't be the thing it was between the time period 2013-2015

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