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I deem the subject as exhausted.

Summarizing:

The bug has video proof, the bug was called out by our team during the round but no action has been taken by the referees, which we, no matter the reasoning for inaction, consider an injustice / an error and which is why we won't consider 'Damn Roofers' to be a legitimately played round.
Unless the referees change their mind on this, I see no point in continuing.

Topic locked.

Quote from: krystianoo on July 09, 2017, 08:16:58 pm

Quote from: SMD on July 09, 2017, 08:15:08 pm

It was not a flag bug the bug was there where u put flags not in capturing flag and ye if you tried to capture the flag and fail to capture it. it will show that (the red/blue team failed to steal  the blue flag, respawning in 10 seconds) why it does not shows when you failed to capture the flag and teleported to other place?

What are you trying to prove?

Everyone accepts the existence of the bug at the Damn Roofers base during the SS - VU clan war.

The flag acted like a teleport pickup, but it had the flag icon which is why no message appeared.

Because the pickup was considered to be a teleport one by the script.

I am not here to prove anything i played like 4 matches on different bases and all have that siiue and flag isn't bugged only the point where we drop flags that bugged.

Like some bases teleport u too ocean beach near ammu nation and some teleport you to North point mall.

There is no flag bug only that bugged where we put flags.
you can try it.

Are you willing to bet your tag on it?

lol you could just run into the flag without even staying still on it cos there were 3+ guys shooting at you SS all the time.

will you go to the end to get that round replayed is it that important for you or what?

CTF is based on capturing the flag but you can also win by doing a great defending perfomance and in this case VU did it, does that have less value than capturing flags? i was watching it and you couldnt have captured a single flag... keep blabbering or asking me why i didnt take any action but thats what happened.

As I stated previously, you cannot assume what would happen if X or Y.

But what are you stating here, really? That we should've given up the match once it was 1-2 in scores? That's what most people criticise this gamemode for. The park-the-bus strategy. In fact I think Damn Roofers is one of those maps that has no solution against this, but I might be wrong and I don't want to hypothesize certain strategies, just in case.

Yes, VU performed "great" on defense. By great; they spammed the entrance teleport. I don't think it was very skillful, but the end result was great.

But we have to adapt. Adapt and survive. And once it was 1-2 and VU just camped the entry to their base, we HAD to attack. Flags were our only way to win, and they were bugged, and they definietly influenced the end outcome. You can theorize that they wouldn't like you are right now, but I disagree with your position and I won't agree.

Would we still win or lose the round replay? That's not the point of this conversation. I guess the odds are against us.

The point is is that the round was unfair due to a bug that essentially turned the server into a TDM gamemode, and we ask for it to be replayed.

i got to know from @zubi that when the bug was discovered, it was too late so i don't see any point in pulling this thread further more.

Do not see what this means, edit: nor if it's true. I don't know, really.


I don't really intend to discuss this further, I've stated what I have to say and it appears that we will unfortunately have to agree to disagree although we still do not consider the 'official' result that VU wins the round.

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Quote from: ELK on July 09, 2017, 08:56:47 pm

Quote from: Eddy on July 09, 2017, 08:39:58 pm

@juan, I just asked something... who is blaming you? If I had restarted the round, people would have said that it was in my favor.

what if any other staff had restarted round, do you think that ppl wouldn't blame them?

But ELK, they were considered referees. Eddy was PLAYING the clan war, referees saw what was happening but nothing.

Referees are supposed to uphold the rules irregardless of what people think.

Look i know it was not ed's responsibility but eddy has higher rank and i don't think its not that big deal for him to /pauseround. Atleast you guys( any of staff ) should have paused round to discuss about that bug rather than playing the complete round and asking whether to replay it or not.

I think we can agree that it was the referees' responsibility to do so, not Eddy's, and so I see no reason to push this any further.

There's a difference between pausing the round without the opponent's team agreement when they're at an advantage and pausing the round for your opponents when they're at a disadvantage.
Besides I'm not even sure people know of the pause round command.

So it was okay that one of you ended one base because of a bug, but it wouldn't be okay if you ended that one.

As I said I have no need to discuss further. We won fair, spectators say the bug didn't play any part in it. As you are the losing party in that round, it is expected of you to cry about it being unfair. I might also cry for the ship base to be replayed because Milko spectated our team for the whole round as a red player, meaning he saw teamchat. I could also cry about Eddy being desynched for the entirety of the match, possibly due to using VOIP. Or should I cry for a round being ended in the mall due to ANOTHER BUG while we had your flag in our hands. Accept it, you lost fair.

Final score is 2-2, post match stats and get on with it.

I used to write like this too. Making up things that didn't exist but that had a high likeliness of happening.

spectators say the bug didn't play any part in it.

First of all, I haven't really seen any spectators saying it. Except for VUs, but I guess that doesn't matter.

Even if, then what..? Spectators are biased in one way or another. Referees aren't supposed to be.

As you are the losing party in that round, it is expected of you to cry about it being unfair.

It is. I never stated otherwise. In fact, had we won, I wouldn't complain, but I would agree to the rematch and so would Eddy. And I don't think you can prove otherwise.

I might also cry for the ship base to be replayed because Milko spectated our team for the whole round as a red player, meaning he saw teamchat.

You can, feel free to do it. But would your complaint even make sense? Especially when Milko spectated me.

I could also cry about Eddy being desynched for the entirety of the match, possibly due to using VOIP.

No proof - message shouldn't be considered.

Or should I cry for a round being ended in the mall due to ANOTHER BUG while we had your flag in our hands.

[19:39:21] [SS]krystianoo: this is wrong again
[19:39:24] [SS]krystianoo: this is wrong again
[19:39:27] [VU]GangstaRas: wrong side

Is wrong side a bug? Even your de facto representative said it's the wrong side.

Accept it, you lost fair.

I redirect you to point 1 and 2.

Im admin i wanted VU to win but that doesnt mean i would lie about what i watched, plus sevrin was banned but he wasnt an admin from here, you're too heated about the tie like you were back in VW6
you're mad and you try to provoke ppl like you always do, leave me alone i didnt pause it cos there were higher ranks in the server, like i didnt do nothing about the axxo issue, i just said those points would be counted when round ends, go blame someone else

Did I ever say you lied?

So what that Sevrin wasn't an admin. Does that make him a non-cheater in your eyes?

I don't see any provocations in the posts I make. In fact, you keep calling me diazepam or kryzepam or telling me to take a pill or finally commit suicide.

i didnt pause it cos there were higher ranks in the server, like i didnt do nothing about the axxo issue, i just said those points would be counted when round ends, go blame someone else

So I repeat my point. Why do you give your opinion here and to BliTz, if even YOU don't consider yourself a referee of the VU - SS match?

Quote from: Eddy on July 09, 2017, 08:39:58 pm

@juan, I just asked something... who is blaming you? If I had restarted the round, people would have said that it was in my favor.

what if any other staff had restarted round, do you think that ppl wouldn't blame them?

But ELK, they were considered referees. Eddy was PLAYING the clan war, referees saw what was happening but nothing.

Referees are supposed to uphold the rules irregardless of what people think.

I leave this topic, SS thought they could win so easy and in change they got 2-2 i know what i watched and its 2-2, but let the diazepam take action on this CIAO!!!

How can one not respond to this post with the same amount of aggression? Is this the attitude an admin is supposed to show in the public?

No comment.

what the fuck are you trying to do annoying me? besides the personal gurdge we actually got, its really low from your side to try to blame for this, i saw you were being teleported in the 2:30 min or smth, im just an admin here, its you who are the manager, you shoulda stopped the match or whatever you got to do, dont fucking blame me, you're in a higher rank than me, like you stopped axxo's issue you shoulda stopped that one but you kept complaining, but the best part is that VU was owning you by defending in that round so dont coem with bullshits and dont provoke me nor blame me

It is not our duty to end the round when there's a bug, and it is an unwritten rule that we are not allowed to use admin commands (well, not me anymore) when we are playing a clan war.

If you say that it was Eddy's duty to end the round, then why do you even give your opinion here, as you were just a spectator, and not a referee?

How could a guy take the flag when 5 of them are shooting him.
Only eddy tried to take the flag , he was alone tho.(others died)
We didn't give u chance to take flag,you could just run-over the flag

For the second time, you CANNOT predict how the game would develop if X or Y happened. No.

Maybe if Eddy would not get teleported to OB he would kill your entire team 10 times? This is the same logic.


The gamemode is Capture the Flag, not Team Deathmatch.